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trouter

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Wood burning back pack stoves above 10,000'?
« on: July 06, 2013, 09:09:33 PM »
Does anyone know if a small wood burning stove is legal above 10,000'?

Since campfires are not allowed I was wondering if the small wood burning stoves are allowed. The kind that burn small sticks.

There is even a new stove that charges your gadgets http://www.biolitestove.com/campstove/camp-overview/features/.
This stove claims to be green but is it allowed due to the fact that it burns sticks?


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Re: Wood burning back pack stoves above 10,000'?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2013, 11:00:53 PM »

I would say no. Based upon only stoves with an on/off valve which would exclude even alcohol stoves with an "open" flame. No wood.









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Re: Wood burning back pack stoves above 10,000'?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2013, 09:19:43 PM »
Yikes! Thanks for the input.  :campfire:


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Re: Wood burning back pack stoves above 10,000'?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 09:59:42 PM »
found this article... i would say the answer is no:)

Strong fire restrictions on John Muir Trail

By Jack "Found" Haskel on July 2, 2013

Regulations, wildfireThe U.S. Forest Service and National Park Service have released restrictions that essentially ban campfires, restrict smoking and certain types of stoves along most of the John Muir Trail south of Yosemite, even with a campfire permit. The restrictions are not JMT/PCT specific, they are in place broadly in the Sierra Nevada.

The following summarizes the John Muir Trail restrictions for backcountry users. Please consult the agency websites for the full language of the restrictions. Basically, stoves that use gas or pressurized liquid fuel are allowed, other types of stoves are not. Smoking is not allowed on much of the trail and restricted in other places.

Yosemite National Park
Normal restrictions are in place. Fires must be below 9,600 feet and in an existing fire ring. Yosemite National Park runs from the northern terminus of the JMT at Happy Isles to Donahue Pass.

Inyo National Forest
Read the Inyo NF press release. On the northern end of the JMT, Inyo NF runs from Donahue Pass to approximately Upper Crater Meadow, just south of Devilís Postpile. The JMT also passes through Inyo NF between Mt. Whitney and Whitney Portal. See below.

No campfires or stove fires are allowed. Persons with a valid California Campfire Permit are not exempt from the prohibitions but are allowed to use portable stoves or lanterns using gas, jellied petroleum, or pressurized liquid fuel.
No smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle or building, a developed recreation site, or while stopped in an area at least three feet in diameter that is barren or cleared of all flammable material.
Sierra National Forest
Read the Sierra NF press release. Sierra NF runs from just south of Devilís Postpile to Piute Canyon (near Muir Trail Ranch) at the Kings Canyon National Park boundary.

No open flame fires. No building, maintaining, attending or using a fire, campfire, or stove fire (except a portable stove using gas or pressurized liquid) outside of designated recreation sites.
No smoking, except in an enclosed vehicle or in an approved developed campground. No smoking while hiking, horseback riding, or while riding in an open vehicle is prohibited.
Kings Canyon and Sequoia National Park
Visit the SEKI fire information page. These National Parks run from Piute Canyon to Trail Crest on the shoulder of Mt. Whitney.

No wood or barbecue fires permitted at any elevation. Gas or propane stoves are permitted at all elevations.

No smoking at any elevation except within an enclosed vehicle, a building which allows smoking, or a campground where wood fires are allowed.
Inyo National Forest
Read the Inyo NF press release. On the southern end of the JMT, youíll travel through Inyo NF between Trail Crest on Mt. Whitney and Whitney Portal.

No campfires or stove fires are allowed.
Persons with a valid California Campfire Permit are not exempt from the prohibitions but are allowed to use portable stoves or lanterns using gas, jellied petroleum, or pressurized liquid fuel.
No smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle or building, a developed recreation site, or while stopped in an area at least three feet in diameter that is barren or cleared of all flammable material.
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Re: Wood burning back pack stoves above 10,000'?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2013, 12:04:57 PM »
I have read it argued both ways and I think it would come down to the ranger that was checking you. That is if you you carried your fuel (wood) with you from a lower elevation which would defeat the purpose of carrying the wood stove and hard to convince a ranger that is how you came by the wood you were burning. Besides that there are severe fire restrictions everywhere in the NF this year. Check before you go because I've read of lots of argueing and interpetations online and it  isbetter to check for yourself. What it sounds like is that no campfires are allowed anywhere but designated areas. While backpacking the only stoves allowed are pressurized with a mechanical on/off switch.

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Re: Wood burning back pack stoves above 10,000'?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2013, 01:43:12 PM »
Considering I'm leaving Wed for 5 day s at the creek,, Its too damn warm to have a fire.... I might burn a few pine cones in the morning but never have a evening fire.. I don't want to waste all the wood I collected and will will wait for fall when the temps. are cool or cold...

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Re: Wood burning back pack stoves above 10,000'?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 05:01:56 PM »
I would check with the Rangers for the specific area your trip will be taking you into. My interpertation won't get you out of a citation. Have fun. :chestbump:

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Re: Wood burning back pack stoves above 10,000'?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2013, 09:58:42 PM »
Thanks guys, it looks pretty solid that only mechanical stoves are allowed. It is what it is I guess. Kind of a zero tolerance approach even though those little wood burning stoves would not likely get out of control and start a forest fire. My experience at high elevations is that it is actually hard to start a fire or keep one going due to lack of oxygen.
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